Sunday, August 16, 2009

He continued with some texts that he struggles with. And shared that in researching interpretations of these texts, he found that more prudent minds than his knew enough to leave them alone.

Fools rush in ... I could only smile, as one whose own interests so outstrip her capability.

The well-known story of Elijah verses the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel in 1 Kings 18 (read the study Bible notes), that the false prophets are all slaughtered at the end. I found myself protesting, "Yeah, but if they are leading the people astray ..." but I had to be honest. Anyway, he concluded that the people killed the false prophets while Elijah looked on (Acts 7:54ff), thereby exonerating the man of God.

And he's unsettled by how Jezebel dies in 2 Kings 9:33, thrown from a window by order of the newly anointed king who is establishing himself.

I could almost hear the line Arnie delivers when his on-screen wife Jamie Lee Curtis asks whether he ever killed anyone in True Lies:
Yeah, but they were all bad.
However, the story that really got under his skin was First Kings 22 in which God wants Ahab so dead that he solicits a spirit who will entice the king of Israel to march against the Arameans to his own doom.

Now he said that if he were discussing this passage with his colleagues who believe in the "development of the text," it would be a matter of categorizing the clarifying vision as detail added later. And while the suggestion of a "bonehead" editor who so clumsily inserted these verses without connecting them to the surrounding text may explain why Zedekiah son of Chenaanah says the things he does, as if he hasn't heard Micaiah's vision, in a devotional setting (such as this), it's just as easy to say that Zedekiah was too self-absorbed in his own conceit to even hear everything Micaiah told the king.

Of course, "this was added later" leapt to my mind immediately, too, without the pastoral tempering. And when he concluded that Zedekiah merely incriminates himself in attempting to discredit Micaiah, well, I saw it myself, quite before he told us. It was all I could do to keep from blurting it out.

How can this not be literature? Are real-life court politics ever as cunning as this?

Jeff said yes. No reason to think it didn't actually happen.

And the following chapter has that story about Elijah sitting under the broom tree asking for death. You know, that we read last Sunday.

Now, I can't be sure that this "questioning" isn't an assumed posture for the sake of these lectures. At times, he seems sincere in his questioning. At other times, he's too ready with an answer. And perhaps willing to accept a weak answer.

He's said that belonging to a "confessional community" gives him both the freedom and the support to ask from the text. I'm not sure his audience understood what he meant by that - and he may be speaking a little more as a Lutheran than as a Presbyterian would - much less with they agreed with him on it. I agree with him on it. It's the safest, freest place to be. The stronger, the better. For this type of thing.



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5 comments:

Matt said...

Anyway, he concluded that the people killed the false prophets while Elijah looked on (Acts 7:54ff), thereby exonerating the man of God.

Maybe I am rushing in here! But I don't think you can conclude anything regarding who did the killing. I don't know how the Hebrew reads but the Vulgate says:

Helias ad torrentem Cison et interfecit eos ibi

"Elias to the torrent of Cison took and killed them there." (my rough translation)

Its not very specific. But let's say it was a bad thing to kill the false prophets. If that were the case, he would not be exonerated. He would be still be guilty because he commanded the sin of others.

That Baal isn't a very popular false-religion today I bet we owe in part to Elijah.

Moonshadow said...

I thought you were out of town. :-)

But let's say it was a bad thing to kill the false prophets. If that were the case, he would not be exonerated.

The basic objection of the liberal layperson reading 1 Kings 18 would be that the text is silent in condemning the violence.

Dr. Hutton suggested that maybe the Bible does not give a model of how we should act but just describes what goes on.

To me, that isn't a very profitable view because, uh, don't we know what goes on well enough already?

He makes the Bible like watching TV - a reflection of reality - instead of a way of salvation. I expect the Bible to provide guidance on how to live, both here and eternally. I think that is the typical expectation of Christians.

So, when they encounter such texts, that describe unmitigated violence under the supervision of God's appointed leaders, it's a hard thing to reconcile.

And, no, I don't see how passing the buck helps.

Matt said...

I am away, staying at a friend's house and checking in on occasion.

So, when they encounter such texts, that describe unmitigated violence under the supervision of God's appointed leaders, it's a hard thing to reconcile.

A good time to turn to the Church fathers then. Not sure if this is a Catholic bible study or not. Either way, it sounds like an interesting class.

Moonshadow said...

Dr. Hutton is ELCA and the lectures are held in PCUSA churches in western NJ. The final one is Sun. at 5:30 in Ringoes, about an hour and a half from where you are. If you don't have plans, you can join me in the back of the church ... I'll be the one with a bushel basket of rotten tomatoes. I could use someone with a good throwin' arm.

Actually, it would be great if Dr. Hutton comments on the recent ELCA convention in Minneapolis ...

I think it's interesting. But I like old church buildings ...

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