"Pope would like Tridentine Mass in each parish, Vatican official says" - Catholic News Service
I think one must take into consideration the cardinal's audience:
The cardinal, who was visiting London at the invitation of the Latin Mass Society, a British Catholic group committed to promoting Mass in the Tridentine rite of the 1962 Roman Missal,And, um, adult catechism classes are more needed for the basics of the Faith, rather than as a primer on how to worship God which ought to arise naturally from a well-formed faith and be so integrated into the culture as to be second nature:
The cardinal said parishes could use catechism classes to prepare Catholics to celebrate such Masses every Sunday
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Strangely, I guess, or perhaps not so strangely, things are moving. Just today there was news everywhere of the SSPX "ultimatum" given by the Pope through Card. Hoyos for that group to come back if they meet certain conditions. Card. Hoyos is an official and he's speaking out loud saying all kinds of things. More TLM groups are sprouting everywhere.
Largely ignored or sneered at (however you look at it)by traditionalists is the approval of the Neocatechumenal Way statues sans crazy liturgy stuff. On both sides, the "new" and the "old" the Holy Father is encouraging communion with the Church and rewarding those who are not lukewarm.
I'm not too familiar with the NeoCat movement. I've heard a little and I'm not interested. Nevertheless I think the Pope is grabbing onto the energized people on the edges because of their enthusiasm. Maybe he thinks it will wear off on the middle. Just some thoughts.
the Pope is grabbing onto the energized people on the edges
I remember him saying he wanted a "leaner, meaner" Faithful. I know Jesus doesn't care for lukewarm.
NC Way? Never heard of it. Matt, you are on top of things, man. SSPX is stubborn ... the Pope is bending over backwards for them ...
I'll be honest and tell you that we all thought this Latin thing would die out. There are groups promoting it? It's supposed to be for those already "attached," yet we're stirring up fresh interest?
I think about that poor guy who comments on JP's blog: he's Lutheran now because he couldn't be granted a Latin Mass wedding in the 70's. Accident of birth: he could sure have one now!
Last week, I received a copy of the 1962 Roman Missal that Baronius Press touts as a "daily missal" ... but it contains Sunday readings! And Commons. And heaven knows what else.
You can probably tell that all my hand missal experience has been with (English) editions that break out Sunday from Weekday in separate volumes.
But the type size is very comfortable for my 40-year-old eyes. Baronius knows their principle user group. Now, taking the trouble to use it ... the priest who offered the Latin Mass in the next town over was just reassigned "down river" - to Toms River, too far.
I would think he'd take the mass with him ... but there might be someone left behind who'll carry on ... I'm in limbo for the present time.
The "Weekday Missal" appears to be a Post-Vatican II thing. In the TLM we have either Sunday missals or Daily Missals. Daily means every day of the year for every day of your life. Even if there are new feast days the calendar pretty much remains the same so if you find one from the 1940s or something you can use it save for the Holy Week schedule.
The Baronius Missal I believe is the best. In fact, I reviewed it on my blog after I got it almost *two years* ago (WOW, just thought of that!) It is filled with goodies. Plus its the only new TLM missal out there that is "in line" with the Church. It even quotes from Vatican II, has the "updated" Rosary, and the new edition has Summorum Pontificum as well. You should get their Douay Bible too...if you don't already have one.
As for the Latin thing dying out... We have quite a few converts in my parish. I'm not sure how many but it seems every time I meet someone new I get "I'm a convert too, from Church X". Its led me to believe we are a parish of mostly converts. However most people who go there consider themselves converts in another way. They talk about "coming to tradition" as a conversion. For most them it probably was their moment of falling off the horse, so its honest.
I actually have only a Rheims, so, yeah, I agree with you.
The Baronius Press Roman Missal has everything that I can think of - outside the Divine Office - in the way of Catholic prayer. Certainly more than my mother's has ... but hers was for children ... i.e., intentionally abbreviated.
but it seems every time I meet someone new I get "I'm a convert too, from Church X".
That can be a pleasant feeling; makes you feel right, perhaps? I imagine Protestant churches are also mostly converts ... especially if that recent Pew Study can be believed. From what I've read in Pres. Mathewes-Green's books, American Eastern Orthodoxy is mostly converts too.
They talk about "coming to tradition" as a conversion.
Right, as they've already "come to Christ," now they've come to His Church, as they say (on EWTN).
So, let me ask you, if a weekday is not a liturgical feast day, are the Scripture readings a repeat of those proclaimed on Sunday? Take this Friday, for instance. I'm just being curious. ... Oh, I may have answered my own question: Mater Ecclesiae's on-line weekly bulletins show that's the practice. Just something different from what I'm used to. (although, to be honest, sometimes the NO weekday readings repeat Sunday's).
Feria's, or non-feast weekdays, are either celebrated from Sunday (as you guesed), may be a "missed" feast day (one that happened on Sunday but Sunday always gets celebrated instead) or a votive mass. Typically we have on Friday Feria's the Votive Mass of the Sacred Heart for example. But there are a host of votives you can use. Saturdays are ferial or for the Blessed Virgin.
There is a lot of technicality that goes into this but that is a pretty good overview.
The Baronius Missal does have the divine office in some of its parts. For instance it has the Vespers and Compline for Sundays, as well as all of the Antiphons for Sundays throughout the year. I suppose that is in there because parishes are encouraged (even and especially by Vatican II) to have Vespers services on Sunday afternoons.
It is nice to meet other converts. But I think its not a secret that *most* people who convert to protestantism from Catholicism generally don't know their faith very well. *Most* Catholic Converts are now here because they learned more about it all.
So we get this:
Protestantism: I felt the spirit and it led me here.
Catholicism: The spirit led me here through the Church Fathers, reason, etc.
One is intellect based, the other emotion based. Or so it seems.
who convert to protestantism from Catholicism generally don't know their faith
I don't see how anyone who knows it could leave it. But marriage is the #1 reason people leave ... or join.
I noticed the vespers in the TOC but, flipping page-by-page, the artwork at the head of the compline section, with a tetragrammaton and agios ("holy [one]") distracted me from reading the actual printed text.
I am happy for the book ... and thanks for explaining the practice. "Know before you go," just like anything, eh? Get my ribbons in place before venturing in ...
Protestantism: I felt the spirit and it led me here.
You were in a liberal Protestant church. There are people who switch from, say, Lutheranism to Reformed because of doctrine ... especially these days. I wouldn't sell 'em short, 'though it gives me pause to consider how anyone so sincere ... could be so wrong. ... 1 Cor. 10:12.
Pax.
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